Women Who Dated Older Guys as Teens Talk About Their Experiences

We’re at a point where society is coming to grips with some uncomfortable truths, especially when it comes to predatory men and not allowing their behavior to continue on unexcused or unacknowledged. It’s important that these things no longer be kept in darkness, even though it’s not a lot of fun to dredge up.

One such conversation took place on r/AskReddit when user pizzaroll94 posed this question:

Women who “dated” older men as teenagers that now realize they were predators, what’s your story? from AskReddit

Sadly, this is an all-too-common tale, and well over ten thousand comments quickly filled the thread.

Here are just a few of the tales of red flags and other behavior that needs brought to light.

1. So many young women find themselves in way over their heads.

I was 15 and definitely didn’t understand A THING about love or danger, I found out that he was married and had a child because he literally disappeared and I was trying to find out what happened.

– chickenwing-coffee

2. Some got out before major damage was done.

I’ll put it my experience in here while I’m at it. I was 14, he was 21 and I thought it was cool that he had a car and could buy alcohol.

Luckily I didn’t interact with this person for more than a few months.

– pizzaroll94

3. Things that are clear in retrospect aren’t always evident in the moment.

I was 15 with a 21 year old. He hung around youth group and made all us younger girls feel special with his attention. I was shy and quiet, didn’t stand out much, but obviously wanted the special attention that all the prettier, peppier girls got. He wasn’t interested until he found out my mom worked nights and I was home alone.

We ended up getting into a pretty heated argument and split when, two weeks in, I still hadn’t let him come over because I was terrified of what my mom would do if she knew I’d had ANYONE over while she was gone.

– NurseNotJoy

4. “Eventually I realized it was strange.”

I was 11 and he was 23.

We didn’t date (he had a girlfriend) but he would sext me and send me nudes. Eventually I realized it was strange and blocked him.

Didn’t tell anyone about it. I sometimes wonder if it’s impacted me more than I would care to admit.

– goldenphoenix16

5. When you’re young enough, it’s hard to know how or why you’re being manipulated.

My mother found older boys to introduce me to when I was 15/16. She would take me to coffee shops or sneak me into bars and charm her way with men in their 20s only to introduce them to me. I would date them, and she would get chores done around the house that she needed. Painted kitchen, fixed cabinets, roof work, stuff like that. I remember my best friends mom trying to warn me and explain to me why it was wrong of my mother to let her 15 year old date 25 year olds, but I just thought I was really cool.

It wasnt until one of them found me online and reached out a few years ago, that I realized what she’d actually been doing all that time.

And of course, none of these guys knew what the fuck they were doing so the house looked like shit anyways.

– operachick209

6. There are too many tales like this coming out of schools.

He was my guidance counselor.

I didn’t realize how creepy he was until he proposed.

The whole thing was fucked.

– z0mbiegrl

7. It’s always heartwarming to know that good parents are out there.

My first boyfriend- I was barely 15, he was 21. Worked in a local shop and all the girls at my school liked him so came as a bit of a surprise when the biggest dork ever (me) somehow landed him and not any of the popular girls.

We dated for maybe 4 months, turned out he was sleeping with 3 girls in my year which I found confusing because I’d begged him to take my virginity to no avail. Always found that really weird and insulting that he never even wanted to sleep with me.

Plot twist: my mum had stormed into the shop when we first started dating and told him, ‘if you take my daughter’s virginity, I will kill you with my bare hands.’

God bless my mum.

– bbbccccddddd

8. If you don’t know you’re dating someone too young…why?

I was 14 and dated a 25 year old cop. He never asked my age and I never told.

One day were chatting on phone and I told him that I got some homework to do and I’ll call back later. He said freshmen year of college getting to ya huh? I said, college? I’m in high school. Dead silence, then he asked how old I was and I said 14.

He freaked out and was saying I’m gonna go to jail for this and I’m gonna lose my job. He said I can’t see you again and please don’t tell anyone. I said yeah of course.

I got why he was scared and I never saw him again and never told.

– geri73

9. “You’re mature for your age” doesn’t discount your age.

I was 15 and met a 30 year old who was an older brother of a boy I met in group therapy. He used to tell me how complicated and mature I was (lol so cliché).

I’m now 24 and seeing or interacting with anyone who is 15 makes me sick. I felt so old then but it’s insane now how obvious to me that people that age are children.

– Nini423

10. It’s a wonder some of these guys aren’t in prison.

I dated/had sex with a 28 year old when I was 13 and thought it was perfectly normal. He always complimented me, bought me stuff, and drove me places when I needed a ride. Looking back now I can’t believe I didn’t realize how fucked up that was.

To this day he can’t find someone to date that’s his age (I’m 24 now) from what I heard from rumors.

– katdunks

11. “When I was finally old enough to date him, I no longer wanted to.”

It honestly never clicked for me until I was MUCH older myself. I just thought I was super mature and that’s why it wasn’t weird that I was 14 with a 19 year old boyfriend. It was a super toxic relationship, he cheated on me, stole from me, lied to me and lied about me so much.

He pretty much only came around when he wanted sex and would tell me whatever he thought I needed to hear to keep stringing me along. In my naïveté, I thought this was just how “grownup” relationships were.

So I stayed, until I finally got fed up at 18 years old! Isn’t it funny that when I was finally old enough to date him, I no longer wanted to???

– RAVENMADSAINTSFAN

12. It’s amazing how far perspectives can shift.

My best friend in high school dated a teacher and the school found out somehow.

I don’t know if she is thinks of it like this though.

I for sure do.

– jennybgenius16

13. For some, it’s about power and intimidation.

I dated an older woman when I was a teen. She was in her mid 20’s, I was still a minor. When we broke up, she told me she’d been stopping her friends from coming after me, but now she wasn’t going to stop them anymore.

She proceeded to make my life hell, and even faked her own death to make me look bad. She stalked me online for a while after that. I don’t know if she still is, but I can’t deny the possibility.

I don’t feel safe. Don’t know if I ever will.

– legaladult

14. Her parents must have felt awful about this.

I was 13 and my parents had a friend who was 24 that started hanging around the house a lot. I developed a big crush on him and ended up losing my virginity to him.

I thought we were in love and going to get married. My parents found out and I never saw him again.

Didn’t realize how creepy it was until I had my own kids.

– arsenicookie

15. The whole thread is pretty sobering.

As a father, the comments scare the shit out of me.

– ForeignFlash

Remember, if you see situations like this, call them out. There’s nothing open-minded about predatory behavior, it’s just toxic, and it should be stopped.

Do you have any experiences like this?

Share them in the comments if you’re comfortable.

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Relationship Tweets That Just Might Make You Laugh

Any time you get two people trying to live and eat and work and raise kids together in a confined space, while somehow still loving each other like sexy human beings, they’re also pretty darn funny.

These 10 tweets totally prove it, so we hope they’re good for a few laughs!

10. Why is this so real, though?

I’m starting to think queer people are onto something.

9. You guys I am married and this is the perfect tweet.

RIP everyone who was going to spend their early 20s traveling.

8. Here all this time you thought you wanted to be a Disney princess.

But now you see they have their own troubles.

7. One day our kids will ask us what this lyric meant.

Please, don’t let this be prophetic.

6. Was there laughter or impressed silence?

I think we all know the answer to that.

5. These two are clearly a match made in heaven.

When you find the one, you just know.

4. We’ve all got a bit too much time on our hands.

And yet, this meme never really gets old.

3. There are never any winners in this game.

Except the divorce attorneys.

2. Barney is never a good idea.

You can put that one down in stone.

1. And getting thinner all the time.

I’m not saying… but yeah, we’re kind of saying.

It’s just nice to know that we’re all in this together, don’t you think? Life is so weird!

Which one of these did you relate to the most? Tell us in the comments!

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People Shared Photos Showing How Much They Look Like Their Parents and Grandparents

I’m ready for some incredibly wholesome content, aren’t you?

People recently took to Twitter to share side-by-side pictures of them with family members who they look just like. Parents, grandparents, kids, etc.

What do these photos have in common? The family genetics run DEEP with these folks and their resemblances are undeniable.

This is the tweet that got the thread kicked off.

Let’s dive in to these photos so we can see some great family resemblances.

1. Grandma and me!

Two great photos!

2. Definitely the same.

It’s in the eyes.

3. Wow! Very close!

No doubt about this one.

4. A family tradition.

Passin’ down those genes!

5. The hair’s pretty much the same, too.

That’s my Mom!

6. Very nicely done.

Different eras.

7. Still looking the same!

Let’s see the love!

8. Sometimes it skips a generation.

I think we can safely assume that they’re related.

9. I love this one.

Family roots are important.

10. That’s your Dad, alright!

A good one!

11. Spitting image.

Almost identical.

12. Compare the smiles.

No denying it.

13. This one is 100%.

Great job, everyone!

Wow! Those are really impressive!

Now we want to hear from all the readers out there.

Do you look very similar to your parents and grandparents?

Or maybe your kids look just like you?

Whatever the case, share your stories and your photos with us in the comments.

We can’t wait to hear from you!

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People Share How Obviously the Family Genes Passed on to Them

Family genetics sure are interesting, aren’t they? Some people don’t look like their ancestors, some kind of do, and some are complete spitting images of their parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents.

A recent thread on Twitter saw a lot of people showing photos of themselves and other family members side-by-side and the likenesses are pretty undeniable.

These people are definitely chips off the old block!

This post got the ball rolling.

Let’s take a look at the photos that people shared on Twitter!

1. You and your mom.

Those are great photos!

2. Side-by-side.

I see it!

3. An oldie but a goodie.

Dad and his daughter.

4. I love that old photo.

They have matching smiles!

5. I can see it in the eyes.

They both look very mischievous.

6. A generational thing.

How nice is this one?

7. They look EXACTLY alike.

Some good-looking ladies!

8. It’s all in the face.

You can tell that they’re kin.

9. Smiling faces.

It gets passed down.

10. I would say so, too.

No doubt about it.

11. Sister, sister.

Look at these two!

12. Going wayyyy back.

Definitely your ancestor.

13. Passing down those genes.

And that smile!

14. This one is really cool.

Compare the two of those.

Those are really great!

Now we want to hear from you!

In the comments, please share some photos with us and tell us how much you think you look like your parents and grandparents.

We can’t wait to hear from you!

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Relationship Tweets That Hit Just the Right Notes

There’s a kind of science when it comes to crafting the perfect tweet. Like any form of comedy, you’ve got to hit the right pace, the right tone, and strike the right audience at the right time, to boot.

Which is to say, it’s not as easy as these 12 people make it look – but that makes them all the more enjoyable to read, I think!

12. I’m sorry but I’ve gotta side with your wife here.

It’s the old man flu argument, son.

11. Everyone with an older relative knows this is the price of good information.

And it’s not a bad story, as these things go.

10. You always think you can fit just one more thing in there.

Until you definitely can’t and everything is gross.

9. Live and learn, my friends.

Mostly about how it’s fun to troll younger people.

8. There is definitely not room in this tweet for the entire argument.

It’s going to take a few days, tbh.

7. Hmmm I bet he forgot to take out the trash.

If you know what I mean.

6. And doing things like getting up before 8am.

It’s all bliss, I’m telling you.

5. The saddest part about this is that I nodded along.

Different things are a different kind of exciting, but still, it’s not bad.

4. Why would a person do this?

Maybe just to keep you on your toes?

3. Snoring never helps anything.

But neither does keeping your already pissed off and tired wife awake, so.

2. It’s important to keep the other person focused.

Especially in battle conditions like these.

1. I hear it really keeps the spice alive.

Personally, my husband prefers not to be spoken to at all until he’s yelled at the kids at least three times.

I hope one day I can hit a chord like these!

Which one hit you just right? Tell us in the comments!

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Relationship Tweets That Hit Just the Right Notes

There’s a kind of science when it comes to crafting the perfect tweet. Like any form of comedy, you’ve got to hit the right pace, the right tone, and strike the right audience at the right time, to boot.

Which is to say, it’s not as easy as these 12 people make it look – but that makes them all the more enjoyable to read, I think!

12. I’m sorry but I’ve gotta side with your wife here.

It’s the old man flu argument, son.

11. Everyone with an older relative knows this is the price of good information.

And it’s not a bad story, as these things go.

10. You always think you can fit just one more thing in there.

Until you definitely can’t and everything is gross.

9. Live and learn, my friends.

Mostly about how it’s fun to troll younger people.

8. There is definitely not room in this tweet for the entire argument.

It’s going to take a few days, tbh.

7. Hmmm I bet he forgot to take out the trash.

If you know what I mean.

6. And doing things like getting up before 8am.

It’s all bliss, I’m telling you.

5. The saddest part about this is that I nodded along.

Different things are a different kind of exciting, but still, it’s not bad.

4. Why would a person do this?

Maybe just to keep you on your toes?

3. Snoring never helps anything.

But neither does keeping your already pissed off and tired wife awake, so.

2. It’s important to keep the other person focused.

Especially in battle conditions like these.

1. I hear it really keeps the spice alive.

Personally, my husband prefers not to be spoken to at all until he’s yelled at the kids at least three times.

I hope one day I can hit a chord like these!

Which one hit you just right? Tell us in the comments!

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Tweets for Anyone in a Relationship Who Could Use a Laugh

We could all use a laugh these days – even if it’s at our own expense. Relationships can be tough to navigate in the best of times, and these, well…these are not that.

If you’re looking for a way to laugh at your own precarious and funny situations, well, here are 10 people letting it all hang out. Enjoy!

10. That’s a man who is prepared, friends.

And I mean, that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

9. Things like that get extra annoying over time.

Something to think about now, just-datings.

8. That is not the way to a woman’s heart.

At least, not this one.

7. I’m not sure that line is going to work.

Maybe the next time around (eep).

6. And also, vice versa.

If they ever wake you up, they’re not the one. #verygoodadvice

5. Wait, Netflix has a pause option?

I thought we all just agreed to watch until it shamed you into hitting continue?

4. One person needs to encourage the other one in relationships.

And yeah, please don’t forget the ice.

3. As a woman, I definitely agree.

Anything is a fair exchange, to be honest.

2. That’s not how any of this works.

And, I’m guessing, why this guy didn’t have a girlfriend.

1. You know you’ve been inside too long when this is funny.

But…it’s kind of funny, right?

This was exactly what I needed to read today, how about you?

Which one hit home the best? Tell us in the comments!

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These People Dated or Married Sociopaths and They Have Some Stories to Tell

Every relationship has issues and we can choose to either work through them or move on. Most people don’t expect to be confronted with the fact that their partner has antisocial personality disorder (ASPD), though – which means they basically don’t understand or experience human emotions the way the rest of us do.

These 15 people lived to tell their tales, though, and anyone who has even a passing interest in human psychology is going to want to tune in.

15. That would do a number on anyone.

He never once yelled. Never raised his voice. It made me feel like I was the insane one.

I was young and going through a very hard time (also had been badly abused by my father and stepmother for several years, so this kind of behavior was oddly comforting and familiar), and I had convinced myself that I loved him. I found out that he kept detailed notes on what I liked and didn’t like, who I spent time with, what I ate, everything. Every time I would get up the courage to leave, he’d find some way to weasel back into my life. Going so far as to get himself hired at my jobsite and pretending it was “fate”.

Edit: I’m just gonna copy the first sentence of another answer, because it hits home so perfectly:

I thought I was so special because he was so confident in himself. He could do no wrong, he always said everything with such confidence you felt stupid to question it. I was young and he was the first person to show interest in me that I thought was also really smart.
My first clue that something was wrong was when he told me that “men don’t ever feel love when they’re having sex”. When I informed him that I had had plenty of sexual encounters that involved feelings of love on both sides, he assured me that “those men were lying to you. No man has emotions when sexually aroused.”

He also had several “rules” that had to be followed in order to continue the relationship. However much money he spent on me, I must spend on him. A certain number of texts per day. A certain amount of time within which texts from him must be answered. Hair has to be a certain length. Makeup and perfume at all times, even sleeping. Eventually it got to the point where he was insisting that he should be allowed to have sex with other women, because his sex drive was higher than mine and it “wasn’t fair”. This last one is what caused the most fights. He cheated So. Many. Times. I once yelled at him “You’re only sorry you got caught!” and he said, clearly surprised, “Of course I’m sorry I got caught. If you never found out about it, who would it hurt?”

He had zero empathy. My grandmother died and he could not understand why I couldn’t “make myself” stop crying when I heard. He was annoyed that he had to drive home from the funeral because I was in no shape to do so. “The funeral’s over, nobody’s here but me, who are you crying for?”

After 9 years of psychological torture he finally left when I got the news that I had breast cancer. My parents took me on a 3-day beach vacation to clear my head before the first round of treatments began – he refused to come along, and on the day before we were supposed to return, he left a message on Facebook that said, “We’re done. I’m out.”

I called to ask why. “Because you have cancer.” Short and to the point.

I told him, “This is what’s going to happen. You’re going to keep fucking whoever it is that you found to fuck, and in a few weeks or a few months she’s going to realize you can’t love people, and she’s going to dump your ass. And that’s when you’ll start calling me again. I’m warning you now, don’t do it. This was the line. I don’t want to see your face again. I will finally let my brother beat the shit out of you.”

A few days later he “accidentally” sent me a text with a picture of him having sex, that said “Abby (not my name) that was the best night of my life and you seemed to have had fun too. ” I texted back “Nice try but we’re still done” then blocked him.

14. It could happen to you, too.

Clinical psych grad student here.. There are going to be a lot of sensationalized responses on here that paint a picture of “sociopaths” (Antisocial Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder, depending–this is how the DSM-IV and DSM-V characterize them) that is violent and demented. The reality is that “sociopaths”–just like mentally healthy people–come in all shapes and sizes. Violent tendencies can exist but aren’t necessarily advantageous for people. Many sociopaths end up becoming successful doctors, lawyers, and politicians, and most of them do not commit acts of violence or overt aggression. (One caveat is that Antisocial Personality Disorder is characterized by acts of criminal or otherwise delinquent behaviour. Narcissists not quite as much.)

And yes, I was romantically involved with a “sociopath”.

Ultimately, being with him felt like I had been thrown into rapids–I felt disoriented, confused, and betrayed after every serious conversation about his treatment of me. Somehow, it was my fault for “criticizing him too much”, he refused to apologize and claimed that wanted an apology for mistreatment was manipulation on my part. I told him once that being with him felt like he was holding me by the throat over a great precipice–I didn’t want to hold onto him, but if I let go, I feared that I would fall. He had constructed a world around me in which my reality was no longer real, in which I was never the victim but the ungrateful charity case, and in which he was constantly inventing new ways to torment me psychologically and intimidate me physically. The tumult–the rapids–were ultimately a script of rapidly oscillating states of being. He would apologize and promise he would change. He would cry and beg for me not to leave him. If I tried to make him leave, he would pivot to threats or demean me. Everything happened on his terms, even if it didn’t seem that way. Outwardly, he appeared to be a patient, kind, and charismatic partner. He was conventionally attractive, intellectually gifted, and socially adored. His views on life were reasonable and measured, and his style of rhetoric is, to this day, one of the most engaging and convincing of anyone I’d ever known. The acts of cruelty and humiliation were rare at first, growing to a crescendo during times in my life when I was the most vulnerable. I lost my best friend–the abuse escalated. I got a new job and it declined. I left my job and it escalated. I found a new job and there we were, back to celebrating again.

When he was good, he was so good. I would start to believe that I must have just been too hard on him–after all, things only got bad when I was already doing poorly, managing grief, loss, and depression. When I was succeeding, he was succeeding with me. So it seemed reasonable to me, for a while, that he was right when he said I was just “projecting my inner turmoil onto him”. I believed him, for a while. But that mask just can’t stay on. Eventually things are too good for too long, and he couldn’t have that. He always needed to be one step ahead of me. He always needed to have the upper hand. And he always needed to use it to drag me to the edge of the abyss and hold me over, while I desperately clutched and grabbed at the arm that held me, begging him not to let go.

I know now that this is typical of narcissistic abusers. I know now that his moves were calculated and methodical. I know that he hit me when I was already down because it was the easiest to manipulate my worldview during those times, and to create a dynamic in which I was so afraid to lose him amongst the other losses that I would forgive him for whatever he had done, even if what he had done was slowly bore a hole into me, removing pieces of myself that I had left defenseless to exploit.

I know now that the true trap is the poison in the sugar. I know that it’s the sweetness, the overtures when you are stronger that truly ensnare and contort. And I know that it was not my fault. It had never been my fault. The red flags I had seen from the start were warnings I should have heeded, not forgiven. And that in robbing me of myself, in repeatedly gaining and abusing my trust and affection, he was whittling me away from the inside out until I felt more like scattered debris of myself than an entire person capable of walking away when I first realized I had to.

I tried to leave him 10 times. It took me 9 months after the abuse first started to get out–6 after the first serious events started to unravel. I didn’t think that sort of thing could happen to me because, well, I had studied this sort of thing. I knew these signs academically. I was so certain I’d recognize them. I am a strong, outspoken, and almost aggressively independent person, someone you would think incapable of victimizing. But there I was. It happened to me. And in it having happened, I understand now how truly insidious abuse is. I understand why women can’t or don’t leave. I understand why I was so, so wrong to think they were weak for not fighting or running away. If an abuser is smart, like my partner, they don’t just break you down. It doesn’t happen all at once. Instead, you become eroded. You are contorted and compromised so slowly you don’t realize what is happening until you’ve already been ensnared. He never had to lay a single hand on me to be the single worst experience of my entire life. He didn’t have to hit me even once to make me afraid of him, alienated from my own body, and distanced from my true sense of self.

Beyond the obvious words of wisdom I am sure most people will impart in this thread, I’d just like to leave you with this, if you’re still with me:

“I give you bitter pills in sugar coating. The pills are harmless–the poison is in the sugar.”

13. The other side of the table.

I’m NPD and Bipolar I. I have a lot of symptoms in common with ASPD and have been described that way by various professionals in the past. I’m not really capable of empathy. I’ve never really understood the concept no matter how many times it’s been explained to me. I don’t really understand love as a feeling. To me love is simply a set of actions, attitudes and behaviors I can choose to show towards a person. It’s kind of like a job.

I’ve been married for 18 years and told my wife as soon as I knew exactly like you suggested. She’d probably say at times it’s been traumatic. For me life has been extremely traumatic as well but mostly from experiencing intolerable internal mental states rather than bad things having happened to me.

I’m not a bad person though. Sociopath does not equal evil. I have principles and I stick to them but I definitely don’t really understand people emotionally. Conversely I don’t believe that anyone who doesn’t have the exact same conditions as me could ever remotely understand what it’s like to be in my shoes either.

12. The gaslighting is real.

I was with a man who was never diagnosed, so I can’t say for certain, but even being with someone who had the potential to be was traumatizing. I also had a therapist who said he most likely had antisocial personality disorder, and I told her very little about him.

He had me under has control for almost ten years. I had no friends in college because he made me believe he was my entire world. He made me feel sexually inept so that there were things I was unable to do with later partners. He told me he loved me even though it was something he could not feel because he knew it was something that would make me even more easy to manipulate. He slept with countless women when we were together and then led me to honestly believe it was my fault. If I even spoke to other men we got in a fight.He got me to let him read my journals and then was mad that he made me so depressed. I got pregnant and he asked if he was really the father. My relationship with my fiancé ended because he made me believe I was still in love with him.

I felt bad about myself for a long time because I let him treat me so poorly and get away with so much. But the more I read and researched I knew it was not me. I grew as a person and worked on everything holding me down and now he means nothing to me. I don’t hate him, want him, or wish to go back in time. I feel nothing and it is the most liberating thing I have ever experienced.

11. It can take a while to heal.

I don’t know when he was officially diagnosed or how long he’s known he was a sociopath, but I learned of it during his court trial.

It’s been about 10 years and I’m still dealing with the PTSD he caused. I’ve learned how to live with it due to being in and out of therapy and having a supportive boyfriend.

I met him when I was fourteen and he was turning eighteen. He coerced and forced me to do sexual things with me and would get mad at me if I showed any sign of wanting to stop. He choked me when he raped me once. He would slap me, make sexist remarks, compare me to others, and veil it behind being jokes. He ripped my pants off, putting me in an embarrassing position. He made his friend rape me because his friend’s girlfriend broke up with him and he was lonely. He grabbed his friend’s sword and “jokingly” tried to pierce my stomach, got frustrated because I kept squirming, then grabbed his friend’s BB pistol, shot me with the barrel pressed against my skin, and shot me around the room with it. He would bite me, leaving marks and sometimes drawing blood, and bite down on my tongue. Sadly this only scratches the surface of what he did to me.

I’m unlucky it was my first experience with a romantic relationship. He’s the only person I’ve personally known who I hate with a passion. I probably would have accomplished the things I wanted if I hadn’t met him. He killed me. I wanted to kill myself. My life has gotten better but I’ve lost so much of my time dealing with my PTSD. It’s hard to accept.

One day, I’ll accomplish the things I’ve set out to do and be the best damn therapist I can be.

10. Isolation is a red flag.

I had the same kind of experience, though it only lasted a year. He made me give up on all my friends and family because he convinced me they did not love or care about me. And the list just goes on. But after a few years I also realized it wasn’t my fault. And I’m so happy for you coming to that realization after being with that kind of a person for so long, since it took me so long after just being with one for a year. I wish you all the luck and well being you deserve!

9. Like anything else, one day at a time.

I didn’t realize he was a sociopath until after it had all ended, but it made everything click into place & make sense. He treated everyone around him like NPCs whose lives are inconsequential. He led a double life, manipulating & gaslighting me the entire time. He drew from my well until I had nothing left to give, ultimately making me believe anything that went wrong was my fault. And when he was finally backed into a corner, played up a big fear/panic response to keep his job and his fiancee. She wouldn’t listen to me, and here we are. It’s been almost 4 years now, and I still can’t trust people. I thought I could, but it’s become clear to me recently that I’m not as “over it” as I thought I was. I find myself unshakably terrified of emotional closeness. And much to my dismay, no amount of “wanting to be over it” will actually force me into being “over it”. There are uncountably many ways that that experience changed who I am and how I approach the world.

The worst part? His hooks were still very much deep in me when I first forced the [figurative] door between him & myself shut. I had to do a LOT to distance myself from him: he kept trying to reach out to me (and my family!) long after I’d cut him off, and it was more difficult to resist than I’d like to admit. At one point I even sent an email to all relevant mutual connections to ask them to hold me accountable to never speaking to him again, and to not allow him to communicate to me through them. I faltered a couple of times. But I haven’t spoken to him in 3.5 years, and I’m pretty proud of that.

8. It takes a long time to get over.

Extremely.

Still haven’t recovered and I regularly have breakdowns over it. Thankfully I’m in a healthy relationship now, but feel it a shame the emotional pains and trust issues from my previous relationship can sometimes cause issues. Waiting to have therapy after lockdown. This happened about a year ago now, and I think it’ll always stay with me.

Honestly, his eyes were so soulless it was like glimpsing the gates of hell.

7. The gift that keeps on giving.

He was brilliant, handsome, and charming, and made good money at a globally recognized law firm despite being barely 30. He was attracted to me but it was a take-it-or-leave-it kind of attraction. He was more curious about me than anything else. He’d play mind games and was surprised when I started catching on (I’m from a very intelligent and slightly crazy family myself). He had no feelings for his family, who worried about him but he never responded to their calls or messages. I found that very off-putting until he told me his diagnosis. Honestly he could be a bit of a dick in general, but he didn’t treat me badly while I was with him (or so I thought). I tired of his lack of affection eventually and broke things off after a particularly pointless mind game of his. He then told me he’d been hooking up with girls in clubs the whole time. I was surprised but not disappointed, as my view of him was pretty low by then. He ended up giving me hpv. Thanks asshole.

6. When you feel hollow and empty inside.

I was with a boyfriend for a year. Someone I know who is a therapist and was acting as my therapist but knew me and my ex well told me that he was a sociopath. I don’t believe he was ever diagnosed but that was good enough for me.

I was 19, he was a year older than me. He has a way of talking in circles until I found myself agreeing to things I didn’t agree with but not really sure what had just happened. Gave me whiplash. He gaslighted me constantly and made me feel like I was crazy. I’d end up apologizing for things I never did.

The worst was when he tricked me into getting engaged to him. I’m not really sure how it happened, because the memory is kind of a blur. But at the end of the conversation he was like, “So, we’re engaged now.” And I was like, hang on, what? I had no desire to marry him. I was too young and I’d already begun to hate him at that point. But before I had the opportunity to figure out what was going on and how the hell we had just gotten engaged, he announced our engagement to 200 people. People were congratulating me and I just felt so hollow and broken inside.

He ended up moving and that’s the only way I got free of him. I’d tried breaking up with him a few times before then but somehow he always made it seem like I had to stay. The day he moved I blocked him on everything, and swore I’d never talk to him again. I still have trauma and am triggered surprisingly frequently, considering it’s been over 2 years.

But yeah. That’s what it’s like dating a sociopath.

5. So they’re making it work.

I’m married to a sociopath. It’s like if Jessica Jones had taken up with The Purple Man (in the tv show) only easier because my husband would’ve just sent the kids to the neighbors for being noisy instead of leaving them in a closet.

He has a moral code that was beaten into him as a kid, but I do have to frequently remind him that murdering people over slight annoyances is really way more trouble than it’s worth and he needs to chill before he gives himself a heart attack. He has a problem with seeing that my hurt feelings don’t go away if all he does is talk but no action. He is terrible at handling me when I’m sad. He has a hard time prioritizing his wants over responsibilities. His friendships are very much of a transactional nature to him(he likes to exchange knowledge and skills) and has said more than once that he married me exactly because I have the Paladin instincts that he lacks and is self-aware enough to know that he wouldn’t live long on the course he had been running until then.

However he treats me as a person first and while he lacks a certain level of empathy I could use, he does try most of the time to keep me happy.

4. None of that is remotely okay.

I found this out recently about someone I dated, from their ex. The relationship was abusive. He gaslighted me all the time, put me down, called me names, loved bringing in racially charged shit into bed, reveled in it. Whenever we had any kind of a tuffle, he’d shut me out and ignore me for days until I dropped it. In fact, that’s how he ended the relationship, by disappearing after two years. Just gone one day, never heard from him again. Presumably, it was because I hung out with a male friend. I was younger then, but it certainly did a number on me.

His ex contacted me later and revealed that he had mentioned to her before that he had ASPD. Though, from what I understand, they’re rarely that self-aware.

Anyway, turns out, he was also a white supremacist who believed in the “tiered value” of the races. Probably the scariest part was discovering this piece of fiction he had written a couple years ago about “owning” a thirteen year old girl, starving her, keeping her on a leash, just general terrifying disgusting bullshit. The premise was a story about a man and his dog, how he abuses and neglects the dog, but the dog still sits around to get fed. It gets quite graphic, and at the end of it, it’s revealed to readers via a cop character that the emaciated dog is actually a small child.

yep, need to work on my radar

3. It only matters that you finally left.

Not diagnosed sociopath but he was diagnosed bi polar and his therapist said “he didn’t know how to relate to people on an emotional level”.

In all honesty it was a terrible abusive relationship. He verbally and emotionally abused me. Was incredibly controlling and manipulative. He didn’t see me as a person but more of an object to have and control. My emotions were annoying to him except it may have brought him pleasure to see me in pain/crying. Everyday he had a different opinion about me. One day he loved me wanted to spoil me. I was the best thing that had ever happened to him. Next day I was worthless, a whore, the worst person ever. We dated just shy of two years.

I cant say why I stayed so long. He was just so irrational and slowly his reality slowly became my reality and I had no sense of self anymore. He would just get mad over the most mundane and ridiculous things and I’d try to bring him back down to reality. Never worked of course.

I did finally have the gaul to leave him and never look back. No idea what happened to him. Hope he burns in hell.

2. They can be very charming.

I had another ex who I truly think was aspd.

At one point he stated that he cannot bond with anyone. – He had impulsivity. -He was into brutal sex. -He was a kleptomaniac (he routinely shoplifted from thrift stores and the grocery store). -He was very interested in scamming people (a notable example would be when he purchased an item at a pawn shop, took it back claiming that it was broken so that they discounted the price, and then had another friend buy it at discount). -He expressed disgust towards various friends when they acted emotional. -He clearly thought that he was smarter than all of his friends -At one point he said “it’s fun to interact with kids and figure out ways you can get them to do what you want” (he was referring to getting kids to do chores, but in retrospect he was very interested in controlling and manipulating people in general). -He stated that he still hated his little brother for taking attention away from him during childhood (he was 26 and still upset over his brother being born when he was 6) – he would get extremely upset when anyone disagreed with him on things like planning out camping trips or the meaning of song lyrics – he broke the rules of his probation all day, every day – when I told him that I disliked certain extreme sex acts because they were painful, he stated ‘but I like them!”, as if he really thought that should make it ok to do them. – he had no respect for any of his friends and made fun of them all behind their backs – he was chronically lazy both at work and at home and couldn’t be depended on by anyone

It’s crazy because despite all this, he really made me feel happy and alive and sometimes I still miss him. So I guess he had sociopathic charm too.

1. Don’t believe a word they say.

I’m currently involved with a sociopath and feel very trapped in my situation.

He is literally twice my age and is a master of manipulation. He just finished serving 8 years in prison over a drug trafficking/murder thing and has had like 16 other charges in his life including shootings and other crazy shit. Worst temper on a person I’ve ever seen, even my own life has been threatened multiple times and I convince myself I’m going to do a midnight move and change my name but he always somehow emotionally manipulates me with his words the next day and I end up staying. I don’t even know how he does it, he can talk me into and out of pretty much anything and I always end up hating myself for it later.

He’s on trial right now and can even charm police officers and judges to get out of stuff, it’s crazy. 90% of the time he’s a dream boyfriend but in the back of my mind I always have a feeling it’s just some kind of plot. He’s almost convinced me that I’m the real sociopath for “playing victim” and that I’m delusional. I feel like I am losing my mind. Every day is a mental hell downward spiral.

0/10 WOULD NOT RECOMMEND

I’m fascinated and horrified in equal measure – the human brain is all of that and more, all at the same time.

If you have a similar story to share in the comments, we’re all ears!

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Men Whose Marriage Proposals Were Turned Down Talk About Their Lives After That

I knew a friend who asked his longtime girlfriend to marry him. She said no and he was absolutely devastated. It was very sad to watch and I don’t think he ever really got over it.

It’s always sad to hear about these kinds of stories but they happen all the time, unfortunately.

Here are some true stories from people on AskReddit who had their marriage proposals rejected.

1. Be patient…

“We met in her home country of Germany while I was traveling. I knew I was in love. We dated long distance for a while. Me flying to Europe. Her flying to the US. I suggested marriage so we could be together. She said no a few times.

I didn’t press. But I was patient and not being pushy. I knew she was worth the wait. Then it hit her that’s how we could be together. If we got married, we could live in a country together. The difficulties of being born on a different patch of dirt.

A few years later, I’m still married to my best friend and living with her in Germany. Not all no’s stay no. Life goes on.”

2. Intense.

“She had cancer.

I said we should get married because I had full medical coverage from my work. She said no, and over time we grew apart.

Haven’t talked to her in 15 years, don’t know if she died.”

3. Dodged a bullet.

“Dated a woman for over two years and popped the question. First time she said “I don’t know”.

A couple months later I asked her again, she said “Maybe.” I was pretty bent out of shape.

But then I found out she was sleeping with several of my friends so I dodged a bullet there really.”

4. Good thing you got dumped.

“Her dad former Navy kept saying we should wait. We put it off for a bit longer.

Fast forward another year. She dumped me. Father informs me she has been sleeping with A LOT of guys.. like more then 50 over the 2 yrs we dated. And was very happy i didn’t marry her. and apologizes to me for her behavior.

She then totally ghosting everyone including her family for about 6 months. Find out she moved 7 hrs away and was living under a house.. not a basement. under a house with her new bf… She calls her mom to come get her. Mother and father ask me to go get her and bring her home..

Good times.. good times.”

5. Wasn’t ready…but…

“I asked her right out of high school, but she wasn’t ready. We stayed together, went to college at the same school, spent the first year in separate dorms, then moved in together. Got married a few years later.

Our 20th is coming up.”

6. Moving on.

“I never saw her again. Less than a year later I met my wife.

We’ve been together 15 years.”

7. Yes..no…

“She said yes as I had a special occasion planned – one of those observation wheels and I proposed at the very top and we were in our way to a family event and I had a ring made and everything.

Then a few days later she said no. Everything fell apart. I was distraught. We continued dating for a while but it was long distance – other side of the world. When I visited it would be super awkward. Eventually he dad kicked me out. Was flying standby and was stuck in an airport for 4 days. Took me years to recover.

Now I am happily married and am glad it never worked out. I was not in a good place when I met her and her family were super controlling. It would never have worked.

The woman I married is super cool and is my best friend. Turned out better then expected.”

8. I take it back.

“I proposed, she said yes, but 1 month before the wedding she took it back. This is what happened immediately with my life.

I personally lost about $3,000 worth of deposits. My parents and her parents lost about $4000 each on deposits. Me and my parents are working class so it took years for us to financially recovered from this.

I spent $2,200 on a ring I didn’t want. My biggest regret and will say this anyone who listens. The engagement ring chain I bought it from wouldn’t take it back. I took it to pawn shops and they’d only offer a few hundred. This engagement ring store, bank on customers who wants the whole ring (stone, band, setting).

If you’re going to buy a ring JUST BUY THE STONE a gold band, setting you can get a better deal from a local jewelry store. Apparently my gem I bought was shit. Most of the cost of the ring was BS.

Most of my family was from out of state and a lot of people were pissed because they canceled their flight.

I had to go to the ER. So I didn’t leave my room, I couldn’t take any calls because everyone was pissed and I didn’t want to hear it. I was depressed and just stayed in bed. One day my roommate grabbed me and took me to the ER where the doctor treated me for severe dehydration and an infection.

What happened when I got over it? I became stronger for it. I didn’t propose to anyone until a decade later – honestly there wasn’t anyone that I didn’t love deeply enough to be in a committed relationship. But when I proposed I was in my thirties our relationship was more mature than my first time I proposed.

We’re now married for 13 years. SHe’s my best friend. When I have good news she the first person I want to tell it too… when I have bad news she’s the first person I want to tell it too. I financially recovered as well.

I learned my lesson about the engagement ring. Only paid $300 for it. She LOVED it and treasures it. After our 10 year miles stone we were doing so well, I told her to pick a wedding ring of any cost. She refused. She still wears that cheap $300 ring and loves it.”

9. Like a movie.

“We were dating for a little over a year but I was so sure she was the one. I drove 2 hours to see her at her college and went on a beautiful winter night walk and proposed.

She looks me right in the eyes and said, “Oh you thought this was serious? Well um I don’t know how to say this other than I have been saying other people. Well actually I have been seeing other women.”

I was stunned I got up put the ring in my pocket and walked to my car got in and drove away never looking back crying the whole time.

Haven’t seen or spoken with her in 7 years even though she has tried countless times to reach out. Now it’s a story I tell friends who are nervous about asking their significant others to marry them.

Reminding them that even if they say no it could be worse.”

10. Getting over the trauma.

“She was in trauma from a past relationship, and at that time I wanted to help her move on, and in that act I realised that I’ve fallen in love with her, as she’s the one who despite being in depression, helped me out of my social anxiety. I just couldn’t see her suffer

So I proposed to her, and got rejected, as she wasn’t ready to be in another relationship and since I confessed about love, she got more anxious and out friendship was temporarily over. We didn’t talk or have contact for months.

Later on, I somehow contacted her, we had a bit of talk, and asked how she was doing, and learnt that she has been shutting herself in her room minimising contact with people. I still had romantic feelings for her, but I wanted to be with her and help her move on so I insisted being friends again. We spent our time like that, and honestly she’s the only friend I had.

Time passed, and when I saw she’s getting back to her normal life, I proposed her again, and she accepted. It was a long way to that day. I’ve never been happier in my life.

It’s been 4 years since then, though we have arguements due to different views, but we always come up with a solution to resolve things. And I can say this with certainty that nobody can love me the way she does.

I feel lucky to have her in my life.”

11. Horrible at first.

“It was absolutely horrible at first.

I legit thought my life was ending as shortly after that she wanted to “take a break”. Pretty much she wanted to date her co-worker at Baker’s square, and had a really weird cult-ish relationship with all her co-workers. At first I was confused/upset, all of the above.

But weirdly enough one of her friends/acquaintance for me contacted me since she knew I was in a rough patch, completely innocently, and we hung out, and she even knew that I wanted to get back together with her at some point, so it wasn’t anything immediate.

Eventually, the girl I proposed to found out her co-worker boy toy was a douche and wanted to get back together with me, and obviously I had been fretting about it for like 3 months so I instantly said yes even though unknowingly I started forming a bond with her friend/my acquaintance.

Slowly, things just started deteriorating as I started getting honestly kind of suspicious that she wanted to get together with one of her other co-workers, and surprisingly I was actually right. She ending up breaking up with me again, and I thought I was gonna go through it all again, but this time the shock only lasted a few days since this time I kind of had closure.

Meanwhile, somehow I think the friend/my acquaintance/current girlfriend of 4 years knew that this was gonna happen, and was there for me when I needed it. Like both times for me it was super rough, couldn’t even function. Got together, and honestly I can’t even understand how I thought I was happy with my old girlfriend who I proposed to.

I even look back, and I’m realizing that even her family was fucked up. Her Mom was extremely controlling, and even (disgustingly) bragged about how she dated a boy in high school for a few years and broke up with him and hurt his feelings so bad that he moved for mental health reasons. Like, I guess the apple didn’t fall far from the tree?

To be quite honest though, I miss her dad A LOT. Like honestly, he messages me every once and awhile (I doubt his daughter knows) and basically I can just hear it in his voice that he would rather her date me then her new boyfriend since I had a pretty good bond with him.

Even so, I still don’t like to message back with anything too much since I’d somehow weirdly feel like it’s cheating on my current girlfriend who has the most chill parents I’ve ever met, and are super easy going. I honestly think my life would’ve been hell if I chose to marry my past girlfriend with a mom-in law problem.

Anyways that’s my story.”

12. Separate ways.

“I asked a woman after almost 6 years together. She said no, and added that maybe it was time for us to go our separate ways. Wow. Shock. But life has to go on.

About a year later I met a different girl and we were engaged within a year. We were both ready for marriage. That was 16 years ago. We’ve got three terrific kids, two boys that are exceptional athletes and a girl whose a brainy little nerd.

The lady who refused me eventually got married, had a couple kids, and got divorced. But she got married again. And had another kid. And got divorced again.

We completely lost touch several years ago.”

13. Nice!

“We were living together.

I asked, she said “No, I love you but I need to think about it. I don’t think I’m ready yet. Can you give me some time and ask later?”. A few months go by, I ask again, same response. A few more months, same deal. A couple more weeks and then she says “hey, what do you think of us getting married?”. I replied: That’s an excellent idea, why didn’t I think of that?

Our 39th anniversary is next month.”

14. We’ll see…

“Dated my wife in high school.

I was all wrong for her at the time, and it was going way too fast so we broke up on good terms. One of the last times we talked, I aksed her if she would marry me one day, she laughed it off and said no way, and said I was definetly not the marrying type.

Fast Forward to college, I was working full time and she was a law student, and she walked in to the liquor store I was the manager of. We talked for an hour, and it continued in the parking lot, just talking and catching up. At the end of the conversation as she was leaving, jokingly I asked her to marry me again. She laughed, I laughed.. and she said “we’ll see”.

Married 16 years in October.”

15. It’s all good.

“Said no, we broke up, got back together, got a job in Alaska for the summer and “forgot” to tell me.

Then we don’t talk for years. There was a shooting at my church. She calls me out of the blue to make sure I’m okay. After an awkward pause “Well I want to make sure you didn’t do something stupid like go after the shooter!” then she hung up.

But here is a good story. I was 20 and she was 18. We had been really close friends for years. We where in that awkward “should be date, or shouldn’t we?” phase. So we went out to dinner. She told me “you realize if we go this route, we’re getting married in a couple of years.” So we talked about what we really wanted out of life.

She wanted to be a Pastor’s wife. I believe God loves stupid people cause he made so many. We realized we both wanted different things from life.

Been friends for 20 years. Had a rough patch when she got married and the guy couldn’t comprehend why I would be that close to her and not want to marry her.

But now everything is good.”

16. A story about Dad.

“My dad proposed to a woman who said no. My dad was a violent alcoholic and she said she couldn’t be with him unless he got clean. Took him a little while, but he did it. He wound up meeting my mom through a match maker and they’ve been married 25 years.

If that woman never said no to him, he never would have gotten clean. It was the lowest point in his life. But it all brought him to my mom who makes him happier than ever.

My dad talks to her sometimes. She got married to someone else and they had a son who died from a medical condition.”

As they say, life goes on…

How about you?

Have you ever had someone reject your marriage proposal?

Or you maybe YOU did the rejecting?

If you’re comfortable with it, share your stories in the comments.

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A Woman Wants to Know If She Was Wrong for Humiliating Her Brother-In-Law in Public

Just reading the headline for this post, you might be thinking this woman was in the wrong. Humiliating anyone isn’t typically the way to go, as it has more downsides than upsides, but like with all of the posts on the subreddit Am I The A**hole, you might want to hear her out.

This woman begins by saying that her brother-in-law is a know-it-all and blowhard who isn’t as smart as his family has always promised him he was. She’s annoyed by his misogynistic tendencies and his lack of ability to hear anyone but himself.

He also never admits when he’s wrong.

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They were at a dinner and he was spouting about the stock market, and though OP (original poster) thought it sounded wrong, she didn’t really know.

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What she did know was that her friend, who was an expert, was at the table. She hadn’t heard, so OP asked her BIL to repeat everything for her sake.

Which was when sh*t went down, he got taken down a bung of pegs, and ran off with his tail between his legs.

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Things haven’t been the same at family functions since then. Her husband wants her to apologize, and with time between the incident and now, she feels like maybe she was being petty.

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This is maybe one of the more balanced posts I’ve seen on the forum, as far as how people are voting.

Many people say she’s NTA (Not The A**hole), but if she egged him on, she might want to apologize anyway, just because they’re family and it might make things easier.

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While other people say she’s NTA because she did him a favor in calling out his narcissistic behavior, something no one who has “cared” about him has ever done before then.

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Or maybe NTA because it was just a little nudge, right?

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Some people are just shouting NTA! from the rooftops. Ha!

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While others pointed out that really, this seems like a win/win.

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Okay, fine, so maybe the opinions aren’t as split as I might have indicated…do you think they should be?

Where do you come down on this one?

Careful, because if you sympathize with this guy, Reddit says you might be a narcissist, too…

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